I can think of mods that are better for MTL vapers than either of these two and maybe the Vapefly Nicolas is a better tank than either of these two but I can not think of any mod/tank combos that even compete with either sold as a combo kit assuming rebuildables like Ares and Siren 2 are excluded . Anthony reviewed both. Not sure about Jack and Paratech so reviewer opinions on this topic would be interesting. Hopefully, more MTL kits make it into the market in 2018 to compete with these two. Does anyone know of a future MTL kit in the pipeline?