Hawaii making it illegal to sell vape products

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  1. Shaulisbvape

    Shaulisbvape Well-Known Member

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    Hawaii’s state senate introduced a bill that threatens to make it much harder to open a new vape shop. Now it’s emerged that another bill put forward at the same time could ban all online sales of vapor products. If these two initiatives become law it’s going to be much harder for residents of the isolated state to obtain safer alternatives to tobacco – and the effect on the smoking rate is predictable.

    The first bill, SB2304, was proposed by a group of six state senators. Its stated aim is to prevent young people taking up smoking by banning any “specialty tobacco shop” from opening within 750 feet of schools, parks or public housing. Anyone caught violating the law would face a $500 fine on the first day the offence was committed, with the penalty potentially rising to $2,000 for each subsequent day.

    As well as this move against brick and mortar stores there’s a second prong to the state senate’s attack. Another bill, SB2654, targets online sales. It’s a follow-up to a bill that was floated in the state House last session, and its goal is to end online "tobacco" sales. It will make it illegal to ship tobacco products to anyone who isn’t involved in the sale or distribution of tobacco; this obviously bans any sale to a private individual.

    What matters for vapers is that SB2654 also adds e-liquid to the state’s definition of “tobacco product. The result is that both bills’ provisions would automatically affect vapor products too. Vape shops will be counted as “specialty tobacco shops”, while it will also become impossible to order e-liquid online from Hawaii-based retailers.

    So to break it down if bill SB2654 is passed it will make it illegal for Hawaii residents to buy from any online vendor/wholesaler/person outside of Hawaii. Also it will make it illegal for vendors/wholesalers/person to sale to Hawaii residents. If caught they are proposing it will be a misdemeanour offense and civil fine of $5000. So buyer and seller will get charged and fines. Now what is a civil fine. Apparently it means that the state of Hawaii can enforce the fine on anyone in any US state if caught selling and sending vape products to a Hawaii resident.
    Now Hawaii residents can still get vape products at a B&M but it seems like the gov. Is trying to shut down the B&Ms also.

    Funny thing is a Hawaii resident can come to the main land and bring back as much bape stuff as they want.
     
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  2. Bad Ninja

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    Hawaii is led by corrupt politicians who cannot loose the MSA payments.
    They have sold bonds based on projected payments, and used to funds to support State budgets and programs that will fail if people stop smoking.

    The Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement payments are based on profit and sales.
    Less sales, less profit.

    This is why almost every state has taken a stance against vaping.
    Money.
    They loose money if you don't buy cigs.
    It's not about health or safety.
    It's about your state politicians selling your health out to keep the cash flowing.

    And it won't stop until people wake up and vote these crooked bastards out of office.
     
  3. BPROSEK

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    Well this is just shitty. Makes me glad I left the islands. Large Vaping community out there, needs to band together and advocate against these ridiculous bills.
     
  4. Bad Ninja

    Bad Ninja Well-Known Member

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    It's not just the Islands.

    45 States receive payments from the MSA and those states have the harshest and most restrictive regulations on Vaping.

    The Vaping community needs to wake up and pay attention to what is going on with their local and state elected officials, and what they are doing with the MSA money.

    The FDA deeming regs aren't the bigger issue. They have no teeth and are unenforceable.

    You own state officials will be the death of Vaping, not the feds.
     
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    Wow, good point, I didn't realize how far reaching this was!
     
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  6. Bad Ninja

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    It is by design.
    Using any "sin tax" to support state programs require the "sin" to keep going in order for those programs to survive.
    Tobacco taxes funding DOT, Schools etc mean those programs loose funding when people stop "sinning".

    They have to either stop Vaping, or tax it enough to make up the difference in lost funds.
    Simple math and basic logic.


    It gets even more shady when you factor in the bonds States began selling based on future MSA payments...payments that are determined by tobacco sales.
    Less sales mean less money.

    It's corruption. Plain and simple.
     
  7. ParaTech

    ParaTech What's the DEAL? Moderator

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    There are a few big vape shops, websites, and resellers in Hawaii that should really be working this as well.
     
  8. Deucesjack

    Deucesjack 3 year member reviewer

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    Ninja is on point. All of those greedy states couldn't wait for their payments that were based on sales of cigarettes. So, they issued bonds on the projected sales of cigarettes in their state. Now, so many people are vaping and not smoking so the payments shrunk. These greedy states now have bonds that they can't pay back. That is the only reason they are looking to tax vaping into oblivion. It has nothing to do with the children, public health, or your well being. It's all about the Benjamins.

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  9. Bad Ninja

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    I've been saying this for years now.

    It seems that some vapers actually get offended when we point this out.
    It's easier to blame the feds and ignore the favored local officials.

    Wanna really see some people loose their shit?
    Start naming names of the corrupt officials that are behind this.
    ;)
    Until we wake up and stop burying the facts we are doomed.

    There should be a list on every Vaping activism site of these criminals that sold us out to cover their corruption so we can vote them out.
     
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    True and it's because most vapers are ideologues and they don't want to face the fact that the politicians they have been supporting their whole lives are hell bent on killing vaping. Old habits die hard. Most of these kids have been indoctrinated in college so they just don't get it.


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    Kids are indoctrinated today in grade school.
    They don't teach them about government, fiscal responsibility etc, anymore.
    They have no critical thinking skills and have no Idea how their own government works.
     
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    that sucks for sure. i just got back form there. vaping really isn't big i don't think i seen a single store on the waikiki strip (they are probably more in downtown honolulu) but i did see a few people vaping on the streets
     
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    As we all know laws are made by the people, for the people. We know that vaping is healthier than tobacco smoking, there are still health risks attached to it. And reportedly, the bill might be seeking to prevent widespread e-cigarette abuse.
     
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